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		<title>By: Quanta elettricità si risparmia con RHEV e VMware Distributed Power Management - Korematic Sustainable Business Solutions</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2010/05/idle-rhev-hypervisors-save-power/#comment-13195</link>
		<dc:creator>Quanta elettricità si risparmia con RHEV e VMware Distributed Power Management - Korematic Sustainable Business Solutions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] sua modalità di risparmio energetico (PDF) rispetto a VMWARE DPM, un paio di esempi migliori sono su VCritical, lonesysadmin. Dopo la lettura dei seguenti articoli, sembra che  il sistema DPM della VMWare sia [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sua modalità di risparmio energetico (PDF) rispetto a VMWARE DPM, un paio di esempi migliori sono su VCritical, lonesysadmin. Dopo la lettura dei seguenti articoli, sembra che  il sistema DPM della VMWare sia [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2010/05/idle-rhev-hypervisors-save-power/#comment-11761</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did notice it was an ancient (in technology time) thread but I happened across it late. I honestly don&#039;t know how well RHEV is catching on. I would think RH has the gravitational mass to do well. I like RHEV but, when I did the cert course, it required Windows to host RHEVM. Hokey. I think my underlying assumption, independent of RH, is where now-a-days any nearly current release of Linux comes with KVM which has all the live migration and facilities of virtualization and it&#039;s free. So, in my opinion, with RHEV you are paying for a better UI (than virt-manager) and a phone number to call if something goes bump. It&#039;s hard to beat free or nearly free. So I&#039;d think VMWare will be under pressure to reduce margins to compete. We use VMWare at work and I use VMWare Workstation at home along side my UEC. It&#039;ll be interesting to see what RH has to say during Summit, next week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did notice it was an ancient (in technology time) thread but I happened across it late. I honestly don&#8217;t know how well RHEV is catching on. I would think RH has the gravitational mass to do well. I like RHEV but, when I did the cert course, it required Windows to host RHEVM. Hokey. I think my underlying assumption, independent of RH, is where now-a-days any nearly current release of Linux comes with KVM which has all the live migration and facilities of virtualization and it&#8217;s free. So, in my opinion, with RHEV you are paying for a better UI (than virt-manager) and a phone number to call if something goes bump. It&#8217;s hard to beat free or nearly free. So I&#8217;d think VMWare will be under pressure to reduce margins to compete. We use VMWare at work and I use VMWare Workstation at home along side my UEC. It&#8217;ll be interesting to see what RH has to say during Summit, next week.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott G. Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2010/05/idle-rhev-hypervisors-save-power/#comment-11760</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott G. Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walt, 

Price didn&#039;t factor in much a year ago when this article was posted. As you&#039;ll see from the comments, it was a split between people relying on features that one product didn&#039;t support, and people who didn&#039;t need those features and bought cheaper. Has RHEV caught up in the past year? Perhaps. I&#039;ve moved on to a new firm, who is XEN and VMware based, so it&#039;s not really something I&#039;m currently tracking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt, </p>
<p>Price didn&#8217;t factor in much a year ago when this article was posted. As you&#8217;ll see from the comments, it was a split between people relying on features that one product didn&#8217;t support, and people who didn&#8217;t need those features and bought cheaper. Has RHEV caught up in the past year? Perhaps. I&#8217;ve moved on to a new firm, who is XEN and VMware based, so it&#8217;s not really something I&#8217;m currently tracking.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2010/05/idle-rhev-hypervisors-save-power/#comment-11759</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#039;t help but notice nobody compared the price of VMWare to RHEV.  Let&#039;s face it boys and girls, virtualization is now a commodity and VMWare is priced like they have the only solution. When I took the RHEV cert class last summer they talked about live migrating and spinning down hypervisors off hours. What a difference a couple of months make. Oh, live migration on VMWare, ka ching, something else you have to buy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t help but notice nobody compared the price of VMWare to RHEV.  Let&#8217;s face it boys and girls, virtualization is now a commodity and VMWare is priced like they have the only solution. When I took the RHEV cert class last summer they talked about live migrating and spinning down hypervisors off hours. What a difference a couple of months make. Oh, live migration on VMWare, ka ching, something else you have to buy.</p>
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		<title>By: Abigail</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2010/05/idle-rhev-hypervisors-save-power/#comment-11186</link>
		<dc:creator>Abigail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 04:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[go rhev]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>go rhev</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Wandell</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2010/05/idle-rhev-hypervisors-save-power/#comment-11082</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Wandell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As it turns out, our solution does involve a little grow-your-own scripting, as confirmed by members of our team.  Apologies for my mistake - this is not an out of the box feature.  Apparently this was reasonably easy to implement and while not as sophisticated as DPM, works well.  Actually makes you wonder, why support auto-migration power saving without auto-fence?

Anyway, works for us, but not without a bit of hacking.  Thanks for the info.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it turns out, our solution does involve a little grow-your-own scripting, as confirmed by members of our team.  Apologies for my mistake &#8211; this is not an out of the box feature.  Apparently this was reasonably easy to implement and while not as sophisticated as DPM, works well.  Actually makes you wonder, why support auto-migration power saving without auto-fence?</p>
<p>Anyway, works for us, but not without a bit of hacking.  Thanks for the info.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2010/05/idle-rhev-hypervisors-save-power/#comment-11076</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug,

Thanks for taking the time to comment.  I do not understand how you can say RHEV automatically powers down unneeded hosts.  Yes, there is a manual button to start and stop hosts, but from what I experienced in my own hands-on investigation is consistent with the product documentation:  hosts remain powered on, but idle.

In fact, Red Hat&#039;s datasheet on Power Saver says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The host will now run idle, consuming significantly less resources - typically 10 to 15% of the power of an active server. If other hosts in the cluster reach the maximum service level the System Scheduler will live migrate virtual machines onto the host and re-balance workload within the cluster.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.redhat.com/v/swf/redhat_ss_powersaver.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;demo here&lt;/a&gt; also confirms that hosts are idle -- not powered off.

Is there an undocumented configuration option to enable power on/off of servers?

Eric]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to comment.  I do not understand how you can say RHEV automatically powers down unneeded hosts.  Yes, there is a manual button to start and stop hosts, but from what I experienced in my own hands-on investigation is consistent with the product documentation:  hosts remain powered on, but idle.</p>
<p>In fact, Red Hat&#8217;s datasheet on Power Saver says:</p>
<blockquote><p>The host will now run idle, consuming significantly less resources &#8211; typically 10 to 15% of the power of an active server. If other hosts in the cluster reach the maximum service level the System Scheduler will live migrate virtual machines onto the host and re-balance workload within the cluster.</p></blockquote>
<p>And the <a href="http://www.redhat.com/v/swf/redhat_ss_powersaver.html" rel="nofollow">demo here</a> also confirms that hosts are idle &#8212; not powered off.</p>
<p>Is there an undocumented configuration option to enable power on/off of servers?</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Wandell</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2010/05/idle-rhev-hypervisors-save-power/#comment-11075</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Wandell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The foundation of this article is completely wrong.

RHEV has had the capability to power off nodes in a virt cluster since the beginning.  You can define a power management strategy for each cluster.  When a hypervisor host is not needed, RHEVM will fence a node or nodes, migrating VMs as neccessary.  The actual fencing happens via Python (Expect) scripts that access out-of-band management cards in the hypervisor nodes.

A variety of out of band management cards are supported - DRAC5 worked for us until we migrated the stack to Dell PE R610s, and there is (at last check) no fence scripts that can speak iDRAC6.  So we&#039;re out of luck for now, but the point of this is - what you&#039;re describing is completely wrong.

We have a handful of folks here where I work (5000+  employee govt. and defence contractor) who get very religious about VMWare, so I am used to your mindset, but please don&#039;t spread inaccurate information.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The foundation of this article is completely wrong.</p>
<p>RHEV has had the capability to power off nodes in a virt cluster since the beginning.  You can define a power management strategy for each cluster.  When a hypervisor host is not needed, RHEVM will fence a node or nodes, migrating VMs as neccessary.  The actual fencing happens via Python (Expect) scripts that access out-of-band management cards in the hypervisor nodes.</p>
<p>A variety of out of band management cards are supported &#8211; DRAC5 worked for us until we migrated the stack to Dell PE R610s, and there is (at last check) no fence scripts that can speak iDRAC6.  So we&#8217;re out of luck for now, but the point of this is &#8211; what you&#8217;re describing is completely wrong.</p>
<p>We have a handful of folks here where I work (5000+  employee govt. and defence contractor) who get very religious about VMWare, so I am used to your mindset, but please don&#8217;t spread inaccurate information.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2010/05/idle-rhev-hypervisors-save-power/#comment-10908</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, Scott.  Thanks for that contribution -- great metaphors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Scott.  Thanks for that contribution &#8212; great metaphors.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2010/05/idle-rhev-hypervisors-save-power/#comment-10907</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adam,

Yes, I have taken into account that RHEV is a new product and the feature set is not the same as VMware.

Unfortunately, Red Hat has not taken that into account.  They are actively promoting their product as equivalent to VMware vSphere.  I think we all agree that it is not.

If you can afford to wait a &quot;few years&quot; that is fine.  Most cannot.

And yes, my writing is biased toward VMware.  I do not pretend to be an independent third-party (they don&#039;t exist, by the way).  But everything I write is factual.

Thanks for reading,
Eric]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,</p>
<p>Yes, I have taken into account that RHEV is a new product and the feature set is not the same as VMware.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Red Hat has not taken that into account.  They are actively promoting their product as equivalent to VMware vSphere.  I think we all agree that it is not.</p>
<p>If you can afford to wait a &#8220;few years&#8221; that is fine.  Most cannot.</p>
<p>And yes, my writing is biased toward VMware.  I do not pretend to be an independent third-party (they don&#8217;t exist, by the way).  But everything I write is factual.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading,<br />
Eric</p>
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