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	<title>Comments on: Single Pane of Glass &#8212; Hyper-V Edition</title>
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	<description>Informed Virtualization Criticism</description>
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		<title>By: Who’s Using Citrix Essentials for Hyper-V? &#171; vTeardown</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/08/single-pane-of-glass-hyper-v-edition/#comment-9712</link>
		<dc:creator>Who’s Using Citrix Essentials for Hyper-V? &#171; vTeardown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Essentials for Hyper-V? If you’re a Hyper-V administrator, don’t you already have tons of management applications to deal with?  Having another application to manage your back-end storage would just add to the complexity. If [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Essentials for Hyper-V? If you’re a Hyper-V administrator, don’t you already have tons of management applications to deal with?  Having another application to manage your back-end storage would just add to the complexity. If [...]</p>
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		<title>By: eWeek Finds Hyper-V Live Migration Significantly More Complicated than VMware VMotion &#124; VCritical</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/08/single-pane-of-glass-hyper-v-edition/#comment-8434</link>
		<dc:creator>eWeek Finds Hyper-V Live Migration Significantly More Complicated than VMware VMotion &#124; VCritical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can be difficult to set up a complete Hyper-V environment.  There are a lot of user interfaces needed to perform the various configuration tasks &#8212; especially during initial deployment.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] can be difficult to set up a complete Hyper-V environment.  There are a lot of user interfaces needed to perform the various configuration tasks &#8212; especially during initial deployment.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marcel</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/08/single-pane-of-glass-hyper-v-edition/#comment-7449</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, don&#039;t underestimate the power of the software bundle. If a company has SA in place (Microsoft Software Assurance), then the package of all the System Center products is pretty cheap. There&#039;s a System Center Essentials bundle (small companies) as well as a System Center Enterprise option (large environments).

It becomes a hard sell if you&#039;re already paying for this and want to use or keep on using VMware products. 

I agree that the large set of tools required and the additional requirements (clustering, Windows domain membership for your hypervisor) can and will be a pain. It also requires some very good IT people to setup properly.

But the decision makers don&#039;t care about that, they only look at their spreadsheets. And the IT guy has to suffer. I recently talked to someone who hinted at this. He got some students for a SCOM course who have been going through this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, don&#8217;t underestimate the power of the software bundle. If a company has SA in place (Microsoft Software Assurance), then the package of all the System Center products is pretty cheap. There&#8217;s a System Center Essentials bundle (small companies) as well as a System Center Enterprise option (large environments).</p>
<p>It becomes a hard sell if you&#8217;re already paying for this and want to use or keep on using VMware products. </p>
<p>I agree that the large set of tools required and the additional requirements (clustering, Windows domain membership for your hypervisor) can and will be a pain. It also requires some very good IT people to setup properly.</p>
<p>But the decision makers don&#8217;t care about that, they only look at their spreadsheets. And the IT guy has to suffer. I recently talked to someone who hinted at this. He got some students for a SCOM course who have been going through this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Soled</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/08/single-pane-of-glass-hyper-v-edition/#comment-7426</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Soled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to use SCOM 2007 and do some management and monitoring of your VMware environment, ditch the SCVMM and go with the nWorks Management Pack for VMware (nWorks now part of Veeam Software).   http://www.veeam.com/vmware-microsoft-esx-monitoring.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to use SCOM 2007 and do some management and monitoring of your VMware environment, ditch the SCVMM and go with the nWorks Management Pack for VMware (nWorks now part of Veeam Software).   <a href="http://www.veeam.com/vmware-microsoft-esx-monitoring.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.veeam.com/vmware-microsoft-esx-monitoring.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/08/single-pane-of-glass-hyper-v-edition/#comment-7414</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people &lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt; choose Hyper-V.  Looks like you are one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people <em>will</em> choose Hyper-V.  Looks like you are one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Low cost with high SLA</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/08/single-pane-of-glass-hyper-v-edition/#comment-7412</link>
		<dc:creator>Low cost with high SLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, clearly an exaggeration just to make a point for the author&#039;s favorite team and a waste of our time.

If I already own hundreds of copies of Windows Server 2008 R2 then I have hundreds of copies of a hypervisor at my disposal. Why should I continue to direct my shrinking budget on VMware when I can leverage what I already own and it is good enough to meet my needs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, clearly an exaggeration just to make a point for the author&#8217;s favorite team and a waste of our time.</p>
<p>If I already own hundreds of copies of Windows Server 2008 R2 then I have hundreds of copies of a hypervisor at my disposal. Why should I continue to direct my shrinking budget on VMware when I can leverage what I already own and it is good enough to meet my needs?</p>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/08/single-pane-of-glass-hyper-v-edition/#comment-7344</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious, what does mister Muglia have to say about your findings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious, what does mister Muglia have to say about your findings?</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/08/single-pane-of-glass-hyper-v-edition/#comment-7265</link>
		<dc:creator>Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful re-definition of single pane of glass :-)
I can&#039;t stop laughing on the picture !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful re-definition of single pane of glass <img src='http://www.vcritical.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I can&#8217;t stop laughing on the picture !!!</p>
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		<title>By: NiTRo</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/08/single-pane-of-glass-hyper-v-edition/#comment-7256</link>
		<dc:creator>NiTRo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even beter : they talk about footprint...
http://blogs.technet.com/virtualization/archive/2009/08/13/hypervisor-footprint-debate-part-1-update-microsoft-hyper-v-server-2008-vmware-esxi-3-5.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even beter : they talk about footprint&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://blogs.technet.com/virtualization/archive/2009/08/13/hypervisor-footprint-debate-part-1-update-microsoft-hyper-v-server-2008-vmware-esxi-3-5.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.technet.com/virtualization/archive/2009/08/13/hypervisor-footprint-debate-part-1-update-microsoft-hyper-v-server-2008-vmware-esxi-3-5.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: mhong</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/08/single-pane-of-glass-hyper-v-edition/#comment-7252</link>
		<dc:creator>mhong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben states in his comment above that &quot;if you are using SCVMM you really do not need to use the Hyper-V Manager or Perfmon. SCVMM allows you to access all the functionality of these tools. From SCVMM you can deploy Hyper-V, configure virtual machines and get up and running without ever touching the Hyper-V manager.&quot; 

This isn&#039;t the case if you&#039;re using SCVMM to manage a hyper-v cluster and you want to provision a non-clustered VM. SCVMM won&#039;t let you create non-clustered VMs on a Hyper-V node that&#039;s part of a cluster, so you&#039;ll still need to use Hyper-V Manager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben states in his comment above that &#8220;if you are using SCVMM you really do not need to use the Hyper-V Manager or Perfmon. SCVMM allows you to access all the functionality of these tools. From SCVMM you can deploy Hyper-V, configure virtual machines and get up and running without ever touching the Hyper-V manager.&#8221; </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t the case if you&#8217;re using SCVMM to manage a hyper-v cluster and you want to provision a non-clustered VM. SCVMM won&#8217;t let you create non-clustered VMs on a Hyper-V node that&#8217;s part of a cluster, so you&#8217;ll still need to use Hyper-V Manager.</p>
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