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	<title>Comments on: Save $14,970 on VMware ESX management</title>
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	<description>Informed Virtualization Criticism</description>
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		<title>By: GaryH</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/04/save-14970-on-vmware-esx-management/#comment-9443</link>
		<dc:creator>GaryH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My math was totaly wrong there, 10 hosts would add up to $87380 for ESX.

My point is that you are arguing the point of cost with VMWare when it is an argument that VMWare will never win on.

Sure System Center adds cost to a &#039;free&#039; Hyper-V solution, which MS try to hide, but you forget that customers who take the SMSE licensing  deal cover all guests for SCOM, SCCM, SCDPM etc so you are getting a lot of bang for your buck.

Virtual Centre is great for managing ESX/vSPhere but it is only good at this one thing, it lives in a virtual bubble neglecting the physical world which dominates our datacentres, e.g. why would you use Vcentre to patch virtual windows guests then use another mechism like WSUS/SCCM to patch physical servers? double admin for no gain.

The point MS are focusing on is the overall management package. Sure they have not got it right yet as its too expensive and quite disjointed but it will come with time and buying up smaller companies.

VMWare know this and this year you will start to see them acquire smaller service management companies to boost their reach outside the virtual bubble.

Whoever gets the whole dynamic datacentre package out to market end-to-end the quickest will win the next &#039;management&#039; battle.

I am not favouring either solution over the other I find it quite exciting to debate these things instead of all the old intel/amd MS/Linux debates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My math was totaly wrong there, 10 hosts would add up to $87380 for ESX.</p>
<p>My point is that you are arguing the point of cost with VMWare when it is an argument that VMWare will never win on.</p>
<p>Sure System Center adds cost to a &#8216;free&#8217; Hyper-V solution, which MS try to hide, but you forget that customers who take the SMSE licensing  deal cover all guests for SCOM, SCCM, SCDPM etc so you are getting a lot of bang for your buck.</p>
<p>Virtual Centre is great for managing ESX/vSPhere but it is only good at this one thing, it lives in a virtual bubble neglecting the physical world which dominates our datacentres, e.g. why would you use Vcentre to patch virtual windows guests then use another mechism like WSUS/SCCM to patch physical servers? double admin for no gain.</p>
<p>The point MS are focusing on is the overall management package. Sure they have not got it right yet as its too expensive and quite disjointed but it will come with time and buying up smaller companies.</p>
<p>VMWare know this and this year you will start to see them acquire smaller service management companies to boost their reach outside the virtual bubble.</p>
<p>Whoever gets the whole dynamic datacentre package out to market end-to-end the quickest will win the next &#8216;management&#8217; battle.</p>
<p>I am not favouring either solution over the other I find it quite exciting to debate these things instead of all the old intel/amd MS/Linux debates.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/04/save-14970-on-vmware-esx-management/#comment-9433</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary, I&#039;m talking about using SCVMM to manage ESX hosts.  You need to pay both companies in this case -- it&#039;s not a case of one or the other.

And oh, by the way, Microsoft just increased the price of SMSD by 75 percent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, I&#8217;m talking about using SCVMM to manage ESX hosts.  You need to pay both companies in this case &#8212; it&#8217;s not a case of one or the other.</p>
<p>And oh, by the way, Microsoft just increased the price of SMSD by 75 percent.</p>
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		<title>By: GaryH</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/04/save-14970-on-vmware-esx-management/#comment-9432</link>
		<dc:creator>GaryH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your argument holds no water at all.

The current list price for VMWare ENT Plus is $4,369 per cpu.

10 vSphere hosts with 2 cpus = $69,904

So with the $70k I&#039;d have saved I could buy many SMSE licenses.

You also forget to mention that SMSE covers more than 1 product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your argument holds no water at all.</p>
<p>The current list price for VMWare ENT Plus is $4,369 per cpu.</p>
<p>10 vSphere hosts with 2 cpus = $69,904</p>
<p>So with the $70k I&#8217;d have saved I could buy many SMSE licenses.</p>
<p>You also forget to mention that SMSE covers more than 1 product.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/04/save-14970-on-vmware-esx-management/#comment-6206</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting perspective, Vladan.  Don&#039;t be afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting perspective, Vladan.  Don&#8217;t be afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladan</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/04/save-14970-on-vmware-esx-management/#comment-6173</link>
		<dc:creator>Vladan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about Xen with their free version of Xen Server with vMotion ...... Clearly the SMB market will go tht Xen&#039;s way..... I&#039;m afraid

I&#039;m a bit afraid for Vmware.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Xen with their free version of Xen Server with vMotion &#8230;&#8230; Clearly the SMB market will go tht Xen&#8217;s way&#8230;.. I&#8217;m afraid</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit afraid for Vmware&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/04/save-14970-on-vmware-esx-management/#comment-6012</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your support, Craig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your support, Craig.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.vcritical.com/2009/04/save-14970-on-vmware-esx-management/#comment-5986</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>absolutely agree with you as it will be more expensive when we been locked in to the micro$oft licensing model. For my opinion, the SCCM and SCVMM is just not the best products from the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>absolutely agree with you as it will be more expensive when we been locked in to the micro$oft licensing model. For my opinion, the SCCM and SCVMM is just not the best products from the market.</p>
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